Odys Podcast: The High Stakes Growth Show

Why do so many SEO agencies get stuck between $10,000 and $30,000 a month? Nathan Gotch argues that the bottleneck is often the founder: they stay buried in fulfillment instead of building the systems, retention, and team required to scale.
Nathan breaks down the agency “valley of death”: keeping monthly churn below 5%, documenting operations, valuing the founder’s time at $1,000–$2,000 an hour, and handing off SEO even when the replacement is only a 7 out of 10. He also explains why AI-search fulfillment is still 80–90% SEO, how AI agents produced major profit gains across his businesses, which client-facing role he doesn’t see AI replacing anytime soon, and why some legal keywords can cost $800 per click.
Nathan is co-founder and CEO of Rankability, founder of Gotch SEO Academy, and author of The SEO Entrepreneur. He closes with a near-future prediction: humans may stop using traditional blue-link results directly, while search indexes become infrastructure for AI agents - and agencies need websites those agents can easily understand.

Most AI projects don't fail because the model is bad. They fail because companies hand AI a decision instead of a task.
Palak Behal, founder of MindVerse Labs, explains why 80% of enterprise AI projects fail, why AI sales agents often lose customers instead of growing revenue, and how she bootstrapped her AI sales agent Groaa from India into Western markets without raising outside funding. Listen for why brands lose 30 to 40 percent of customers by ignoring inbound messages, the real lesson behind Klarna's AI rollout, and why she now prices Groaa on business results instead of seats.
If you're building an AI startup, rolling out AI inside your own company, or wondering why so many AI projects fail despite heavy investment, this conversation is for you.

Mark Flores Martin says the AI models that haven't been publicly released yet, once their safety guardrails are stripped away, can already break into almost any company.
He built his career as the AI guy on stage, then walked away from the label because he says most of what gets sold as AI is a thin front end bolted onto someone else's model.
In this conversation he explains why he tells every client to remove any tool that isn't open source, why he treats sending company data through a vendor's servers as close to suicide, and why he calls that data the one asset a business can never hand over. He also gets into why some of the best engineers at the biggest AI labs are quietly walking away, and what he thinks they've seen that the rest of us haven't.
Mark is the founder and CEO of XGENIA, a platform builders use to create games and backend systems locally instead of handing their data to a third party, which is exactly the practice he's warning you against.
 

Today MiCA enforcement came into force across Europe - and approximately 800 operators with outdated VASP licenses lost the ability to process crypto payments. For iGaming operators who had been quietly running volume through unlicensed providers, the exposure is only becoming clear now.
Dave Pulis co-founded ZBX Exchange in Malta in 2018 and spent seven years building compliance infrastructure before the market wanted it. He walks through what actually happens when a crypto provider disappears: funds locked, no recourse, AML liability that falls entirely on the operator, and explains why the fine structure under MiCA is retrospective, calculated against total volume processed while unlicensed.
This conversation covers the three questions operators almost never ask when evaluating crypto processors, why "cheap" is a specific kind of expensive in this market, and how ZBX ended up on the same MiCA CASP license list as Coinbase, Circle, OKX, and Bybit.
Dave has been in crypto since 2013 and was selling the first bitcoin fund in the world from a stockbroker desk. He has seen the full arc from Wild West to regulated infrastructure, and his read on where the next two years go is worth hearing.

Malta's headline corporate tax rate is 5%. What's less advertised is that expat operators coming in from Dubai or Singapore often access that rate while the Maltese founders competing in the same market don't.
 
In this episode, Sean Bianco and Jean-Michel Azzopardi break down what the Malta business environment actually looks like from the inside: the government VC fund that's easier to access once you're already established, why angel investors on the island operate closer to vulture capital than venture capital, and how Malta is the only other destination that follows the Dubai model - a minister who sits down with entrepreneurs and asks what he needs to fix.
Sean Bianco is the founder of GainChanger, a Malta-based growth agency he scaled from a two-person rat office to 50 people in two years. Jean-Michel Azzopardi is a blockchain architect and founder of a 380-member CEO network in crypto, iGaming, and fintech.
If you're assessing Malta as a base for an established business, this is the clearest picture of the trade-offs you'll find.

Michał Suski built Surfer SEO from a side project in 2017 to $13M ARR — bootstrapped, without VC money, with under $1M in total marketing spend. By 2025, the company had been flat on revenue for two years, was carrying debt from a co-founder buyout, and sold to Positive Group in a SaaS market where multiples had dropped sharply from their 2021 peak. This is his first public conversation on the acquisition.
In this episode, Michał walks through the internal dynamics that forced the sale: the co-founder disagreement that split the founding team, the debt the remaining partners took on to buy him out, and why they were eventually looking for an acquirer rather than a VC round. He breaks down what preparing a company for sale actually involves when you've run on gentleman agreements and have two aircraft on the balance sheet, why the due diligence process took over a year, and how you structure a deal that works for five founders who each have a different idea of what the company is worth.
He also covers what he would have done differently — specifically, why selling three years earlier at the growth peak would have returned far more per share, and why they didn't. Michał Suski is one of the most recognised figures in the SEO software space, with Surfer used by 150,000 active users across 12,000 paying customers. This is not a success story told from a stage. It's a working account of what bootstrapped exits actually look like when circumstances force your hand.

35% of the internet is blocking AI crawlers right now — most of it by accident, through default CDN settings that site owners never touched.
Stephen Burns is the Web Intelligence Lead at Common Crawl Foundation, the nonprofit that crawls 2.3 billion pages per month and provides the training data used by GPT, Claude, Llama, and most major LLMs. He covers harmonic centrality - the algorithm that determines which sites get crawled and end up in AI training sets - and why it operates completely differently from Google's PageRank. Sites with JavaScript-heavy builds, slow load times, or CDN defaults that block AI bots may not exist as far as LLMs are concerned.
This episode also covers the EU AI Act's August disclosure deadline, which will require AI companies to publish the top 1,000 domains they trained on - giving SEOs a new way to verify AI visibility for the first time.
Common Crawl has been cited in over 10,000 academic research papers and its data underpins over 80% of the training tokens in GPT-3. Burns works at the intersection of web-scale data and search infrastructure - this is the part of the pipeline that most SEOs have never had access to before.

Google decimated traffic to entire categories of websites. But some sites gained 300 to 500 percent.
Cyrus Shepard studied over 400 winning and losing sites to figure out what separates them, and the patterns are specific: 93% of winners had proprietary assets, the winners enabled task completion instead of just publishing content people read, and the sites doing the most aggressive SEO lost the hardest.
This conversation covers the five features that predict whether a site gains or loses Google traffic, why HubSpot lost 80% of its traffic without losing revenue, and why a former Google Quality Rater is now telling SEO operators to act like they don't know any SEO at all.
Cyrus Shepard is the founder of Zyppy SEO, former head of SEO at Moz, and one of the most-cited ranking signal researchers in the industry. His 400-site study has become a reference point for interpreting Google's 2026 algorithm changes.

Latin American gambling markets exhaust themselves in 12 to 18 months. One operator holds 75% of Mexico. Brazil was a gold mine until the government taxed it into the black market. And Argentina is emerging as the next target because its players already hold US dollars.
Martim Roll, who runs affiliate operations across Latam and Southern Europe through Plat Media, maps out where the money is moving and why. He explains why culture beats budget for outsiders trying to enter, how a 20% exit tax is pushing foreign affiliates out of Brazil, and what makes the competitive dynamics in Latam fundamentally different from Europe.
If you operate in emerging markets or you're thinking about entering one, this conversation covers the economics, the risks, and the window before it closes.

What happens when your AI agent makes a purchase you never approved? Who is accountable when a machine goes rogue with your money?
Jonathan Llamas, Sealcoin, builds the infrastructure designed to answer those questions before they become expensive problems. His NASDAQ-traded company injects wallets and identity directly into silicon chips - the same semiconductor technology already inside Cisco hardware - so devices can authenticate, transact, and settle without a human approving every step.
In this conversation he walks through how a satellite in orbit is settling transactions on chain today, how peer-to-peer energy trading between solar panels and electric vehicles actually works at the hardware level, and why he came back from Davos convinced that globalization is over and sovereignty will define who controls the next generation of business infrastructure. Worth listening if you are building anything that depends on AI agents, IoT, or autonomous systems doing real work on your behalf.