Odys Podcast: The High Stakes Growth Show

What happens when your AI agent makes a purchase you never approved? Who is accountable when a machine goes rogue with your money?
Jonathan Llamas, Sealcoin, builds the infrastructure designed to answer those questions before they become expensive problems. His NASDAQ-traded company injects wallets and identity directly into silicon chips - the same semiconductor technology already inside Cisco hardware - so devices can authenticate, transact, and settle without a human approving every step.
In this conversation he walks through how a satellite in orbit is settling transactions on chain today, how peer-to-peer energy trading between solar panels and electric vehicles actually works at the hardware level, and why he came back from Davos convinced that globalization is over and sovereignty will define who controls the next generation of business infrastructure. Worth listening if you are building anything that depends on AI agents, IoT, or autonomous systems doing real work on your behalf.

King Charles and Ozzy Osbourne are demographically identical. Same age, same country, same bracket. And that is the data most marketers use to decide who sees what. Demographic targeting performs about as well as random guessing.
Sarah Pokorna is a psychologist who has spent years applying personality science to digital marketing.
She makes the case that demographic targeting is statistically no better than guessing, and walks through the five-factor personality model that actually predicts buying behavior. Six buyer profiles, each driven by different cognitive triggers, from sensation seekers chasing dopamine to high-neuroticism users who gamble to feel in control of something. She also draws the line most marketers never think about: where does profiling your customers become manipulating them?
If you run paid acquisition, retention, or conversion and you're still segmenting by age and location, this one is worth your time.

Most founders have been ignoring crypto. BlackRock, NYSE, and Goldman Sachs have not.
Marcin Kaźmierczak left Google Cloud at 25 and built RedStone - the second-largest blockchain oracle, securing $8 billion in on-chain assets for the largest financial institutions in the world, with zero downtime or pricing errors in their history.
In this conversation, recorded at Consensus in Hong Kong, he explains the entire on-chain finance space from the ground up: what blockchains are, what oracles do (the Bloomberg of on-chain finance), why every fintech company will run on blockchain rails within five years, and how founders can start learning and positioning today.
He walks through the "looping" strategy that turns a 10% yield into 17-18%, explains what happened when a $400 million platform went to zero because nobody rated the risk, and describes what it felt like when BlackRock's compliance team audited his entire operation.
This is not a crypto trading episode. It's a primer for business operators who want to understand what institutional money is already doing on-chain and what are the steps they can take to take advantage of early adoption and grow their business.

Koray Tugberk Gubur built a 40,000-person community, sold over $1 million in courses in 48 hours, and got advisory board invitations from billionaires.
He never ran a single ad, never sent an outreach email, and never planned any of it.
In this conversation, Koray walks through how publishing nearly 200 transparent case studies created a movement around topical authority that the SEO industry tried to co-opt, trademark, and resell.
He talks about what it costs to become a public figure in a competitive space: the slandering, the copycat frameworks, the people who pretend to be friends for access. And he explains why recognition turned into billion-dollar deal flow while most SEO influencers still sell courses with no results behind them.
Recorded at the Holistic SEO Mastermind in Kusadasi, Turkey.

The biggest names in traditional finance are moving assets on-chain, and the infrastructure handling those transactions is already at capacity.
This conversation with Graham Ferguson, recorded at Consensus Hong Kong, covers what that shift means for anyone operating in capital-intensive markets: how compliance went from a cost centre to a competitive edge, why the roughly $40 billion currently tokenized is nothing against the trillions still sitting in traditional instruments, and what went wrong in the tokenizations that failed.
Graham runs ecosystems at Securitize - the platform BlackRock, Apollo, and KKR all chose to move funds on-chain, and he's candid about where the model breaks down when teams build for the asset instead of the end user. If you're weighing whether on-chain infrastructure matters for your business, this is the operational picture from someone sitting at the centre of it.

Stake consistently holds the #1 position for "online gambling" across algorithm updates, and the term doesn't appear in a single page title on their site. The ranking is driven entirely by schema architecture and entity association.
Peter Macinković, Head of SEO at Stake, explains how he designed schema templates for 12+ page types that automatically produce site links on Google results, why most SEOs destroy their commercial intent by chasing FAQ schema, and the specific property ("subjectOf") that builds brand-entity connections strong enough to rank for keywords you never targeted. He also walks through how his team generates 50 manual schema enhancements in 90 minutes.
Peter has managed SEO for a platform running 40,000+ games and 1,500+ live sporting events at any time, and he's tested this system across eight years in e-commerce and iGaming. If you're running a site with more than a few hundred pages, this conversation changes how you think about structured data.

Most founders think they're diversified. They own stocks in different sectors, maybe some bonds, maybe some crypto. Then the market drops and everything crashes together because none of it was actually uncorrelated. Evan Szu manages portfolios that beat Bitcoin, gold, stocks, bonds, and silver over five years with zero drawdown years.  Sounds impossible, you find out what's actually in it.
Evan is a Stanford PhD with 30 years of trading experience, whose father co-founded the International Neural Network Society in 1987 making AI a dinner table conversation decades before ChatGPT existed.
He now runs Gamma Prime - a marketplace for tokenized private investments and organizes the Tokenized Capital Summit the largest side events at Token2049 and Consensus with over 20000 attendees across live and streaming.
This conversation covers why he stopped shorting the market permanently, why most diversification is a seatbelt that fails in a crash, why tokenization alone solves nothing without distribution, and why he believes data is the only real moat in AI. 
If you're sitting on capital and your only plan is stocks and crypto, this conversation will change how you think about what to do with it.

Google dropped a site from position one to page eleven after users started closing their browsers instead of returning to search, and the owner had GSC data showing exactly when it happened.
Lefteris Soulas, a data scientist who built Keyword Cupid after working inside Fortune 500 engineering teams, explains the satisfaction signals Google now weighs more heavily than backlinks: click-through completion, on-site user journeys, browser exit patterns, and entity density in your content.
He walks through a 250% revenue increase from restructuring product page entities, shows why adding e-commerce elements to affiliate sites triggered ranking jumps within days, and breaks down what the Google leak revealed about how page layout scores actually work.
If you run sites that depend on organic traffic, this conversation will change what you prioritize.

A web agency in Switzerland paid students €50 each to walk into phone stores, open Chrome on every display model, and search their client's brand name. The next morning, the client ranked #1 and stayed there. That's the opening tactic in a conversation that covers the full spectrum of click and traffic manipulation in 2026.
Leo Poitevin breaks down the real mechanics: why bots get filtered but human clickers through residential proxies still work, how to buy cheap pop traffic that spikes your rankings in two hours, what it costs per click in the US vs Southeast Asia, and why Google has almost completely stopped penalizing sites for any of it. He also explains where the line sits - at what point viral boost traffic starts compounding bad user signals and tanks your site within six months.
Leo runs Astrak Agency and has tested these tactics across iGaming, local search, and national campaigns in France. If you operate in competitive search and you've already done everything clean, this is the conversation about what comes next.

The average bank deposit rate in developed countries sits under 1%. In DeFi, stablecoin lending rates track US Treasury yields at 4-6%, and yield-bearing stablecoins built on strategies like delta-neutral perpetual funding push 8-15%. One protocol, Ethena, crossed $10 billion on this approach alone last year.
This is the first crypto episode on Odys Podcast: the High Stakes Growth Show. It exists because the gap between traditional banking yields and DeFi infrastructure returns has become too wide for any serious founder, operator, or growth leader to keep ignoring.
Wilbert Johan runs the stablecoin and real-world asset ecosystem at Pendle - the largest on-chain interest rate market in decentralized finance. He breaks down where on-chain yields actually come from, how to distinguish real yield from token inflation, what smart contract risk looks like versus trusting a centralized institution, and why in 3-5 years the financial products you use may run on DeFi protocols behind the scenes without you ever touching a wallet.
If you manage business cash reserves, personal investments, or just want to understand what changed since the last crypto cycle - this is the 26-minute briefing that reframes the conversation from speculation to infrastructure.